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EDF2 Do you believe in Intellectual Property? Why or Why not?

Discussie in 'Religion and Politics' gestart door GSTalbert1, 2 sep 2013.

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Do you?

Yes 6 stem(men) 37,5%
No 4 stem(men) 25,0%
Oddguy is my IP 6 stem(men) 37,5%
  1. GSTalbert1 Girlvinyl

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    WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK FAGGOTS?
  2. TheBrickBalls EDF Elite

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    Someday, I hope to write an erotic Twilight fanfic and bank on it without having to switch characters and settings around.

    I will call it Twilight: Fifty Shades of Ghey, and it will be canon whether that fat mormon likes it or not.
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  3. Solution Albino Adebisi

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    It's a hedge against the Jews owning every thing.....

    Wait do the Jews own the intellectual property that is intellectual property?
    Oh For Fucks Sake!
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    I voted that @oddguy is my intellectual property first and therefore copyright laws mean he is now my bitch.

    If I catch any of you torrenting oddguy I'll sue you guys for 2 million dollars.
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    this picture should either sum everything up or leave you confused, depending on how big of a nerd you are.

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    basically that parasite is my intellectual property.
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  6. GSTalbert1 Girlvinyl

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    That's what she said & ur mom!
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    Idk what to think. I think people should get money from their IP, but we need new laws to deal with the reality of additive manufacturing.
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    I believe it can be grossly abused.
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  9. TheBrickBalls EDF Elite

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    Isn't that from the part in Enemy Mine where Davidge hunts food and collects bug shells for him and his newly-made lizard friend/wife and their dwelling?
  10. GSTalbert1 Girlvinyl

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    Perhaps we need a way out of the law. The problem is that the philosophies, or sciences, melded; thus merging the practical philosophies (politics, morality, ethics, psychology, sociology, and of course law) into the theoretical philosophies (mathematics, physics, chemistry) thereby forcing intellectual property from a status of a legal fiction to that of a concrete, or theoretical, reality.

    The effects have been disastrous, as can be seen in the insane ramblings of men with both low intellect and character such as Popper or Dawkins, and there is sadly no way to separate law from the realm of theory.

    Thus we should steer the law towards strictly positive aspects of reality and shift our real economy from the law to solely societal structures based on free association and enforced by a form of moral writ amplified by the Eye of God - ie the internet.
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  11. Dr. Rice Girlvinyl

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    What about how people like Aisha Mustafa deserving every penny for their revolutionary invention? What about an unknown and struggling writer who produces a masterpiece that is stolen by a more popular writer? There needs to be a means of distributing and enforcing justice, at least for a limited period of time.
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    Are you saying that the only way for innovators to be rewarded for their works by the people is by violence?

    Or that society will be unable to build alternative structures and social methods towards this end?
  13. Dr. Rice Girlvinyl

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    Law is nothing more than a code that if broken is punished by "violence."

    No, my point is most people want credit for their work. This is true of everything, God is even this way. While some will create regardless, most will not in our current economic system. I imagine it would be different in a post-scarcity economic system where people compete for fame, but in such a system, one would still want to prove they were THE FIRST. Humans want credit for their work and that will never change. We are approaching a post-scarcity system with additive manufacturing, but we are still at least 40 or so years away from a post-scarcity world system in terms of the basics like food, water, shelter, etc. We are still a while before everyone gets a BMW.
  14. Baya Rae 4900 Lawlman

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    From a practical point of view, so-called intellectual property rights impede economic prosperity and technological advancement. From a philosophical point of view, so-called intellectual property rights don't exist and if they do then everybody who knows something owns that something which makes no sense if you're wanting to monopolise it.

    We've all seen its effects first hand. The current state of the movie, videogame and music industries is testament to the economic and intellectual depravity all this de facto protectionism leads to. Will inventors suffer? Of course not. The great inventors during the Renaissance never had trouble finding funds despite living in one of the most violent periods in Human history.

    Of course, it is my opinion that every inventor should be a businessman. Where would we be now if Tesla hadn't been a misguided idealist? God only knows. Of course, that all depends on whether there exists a nation in this world of ours that would allow liberty to flourish, instead of seeing it as some sort of threat to be extinguished. Humanity is waiting for a liberator that may never come. There's a burning desire in the air. A desire to be free. I've sensed it all over the world. Liberators do not exist. The people will liberate themselves.
  15. oddguy So kawaii I make your kokoro go doki-doki~

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    From a legal standpoint IP is real whether you like it or not. From a more abstract standpoint you can't really own an idea. But saying that won't help you in court when you are fighting you plagiarism lawsuit.
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  16. Baya Rae 4900 Lawlman

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    No but living in another nation which doesn't give a shit about the laws of the nation whose citizen you're plagiarising does. Plus it's not like we don't have a global communication system that can efficiently send information back and forth in such a way that policing it would be nigh impossible.
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    Small companies couldn't compete against larger ones without laws protecting intellectual property, especially in the hard sciences and technology fields. This goes all the way back to when individual inventors had to go up against trade guilds. Patents only last 20 years anyway (at least in the U.S.), after that any technology produced is public domain. Copyright laws are the ridiculous evil twin though, lasting an insane amount of time after the death of the last living author. Disney really doesn't want Mickey to be public domain.
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  18. oddguy So kawaii I make your kokoro go doki-doki~

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    That is not at all the point I was making. What I was trying to say it that from a legal point of view IP is a real thing. From a spiritual point of view it isn't (sort of). Both those things are fairly clear. You can get into an argument about it but it will not change the fact that spiritual property laws exists or that hippies will tell you that "You can't, like, OWN and IDEA man!".

    The original question in this thread fails to make clear from what view point it is discussing IP . This is either by mistake or the OP is intentionally leaving the definition vague to mix those two things together and create the illusion this is somehow unclear.

    The correct question would have been either: "Do you agree with intellectual property laws?" or "Do you believe you can truly own something abstract like a song or a story you wrote?". The current question treats the concept of intellectual property and intellectual property laws as if they are one thing. This is intentionally misleading.

    No one is debating whether you can violate IP laws and get away with it... at least i'm not.
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  19. Baya Rae 4900 Lawlman

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    Very well, Oddguyowitz. I simply misunderstood you.
  20. oddguy So kawaii I make your kokoro go doki-doki~

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    Wanna hug it out?
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